ABOUT JESSICA

Jessie is an intuitive astrologer and educator. She believes that the universe has a way of guiding us forward through our lives and astrology is a language we can use to better understand how the universe is supporting us. As an astrologer, her  focus is to bring forth awareness and healing through love, and to teach others how to open up their own potential and come back to their soul. Her goal is to empower others to be the best version of themselves by using a practical approach, combining astrology with real life and a hint of psychology.

Resources mentioned in this episode

Astro.com

Book: The Highly Sensitive Child

Book: The Highly Sensitive Person/Parent

Astrology and purpose workshop

Episode 38: Julie Ciardi 

Episode Transcription

00:00.00
Lauren:

All right? Jesse Eccles thank you so much for being here on the mumfeed podcast today.

00:04.89
Jessie

Yeah, thank you I’m so excited to be here.

00:07.69
Lauren:

So um, you are an astrologer and I was just telling you offline that I’m super geek out on astrology which is funny because I don’t come from a family who ever was into any kind of astrology or. The quote unquote unseen now I know the strategyologylog is not the unseen or we’re going to talk about that. Um, but I oh just like in my the second half of my life I guess I’ve just really been into you know intuitive mediums and astrology and things like that because I just I’m um, highly sensitive. Person and an empath and I grew up in a hunted house. Um, so I’ve always had this relationship with the unseen that I just don’t really talk about because it’s not like a common topic of conversation. Um, so I astrology. Fits into that kind of realm for me. So I’m really excited to have you here today and um to talk about astrology why it’s important for us to know. But also how it relates to parenting because this is a podcast about parenting and motherhood and um. You know our go to tools are like let’s talk to the parenting coach and let’s do positive discipline. Um, you know practices and things like that. But if you if you’re not looking deeper under the surface. There’s just so many tools to uncover with astrology and parenting that I’m just really excited to get into today. So Where shall we begin.

01:41.61
Jessie

I love all of that. First of all, you have a moon your moon’s in your twelve house. So of course you’ve been talking to like ghost probably your whole life and you grew up in a hunted house. So I’m just like blown off the bat I didn’t know that about you. um um I don’t know where do you want? to begin we can do astrology basics. Um.

01:52.10
Lauren

Um.

01:59.80
Lauren

Well let’s why don’t we start with asttrologies for somebody who’s like okay like we’ve heard of astrology you know everybody reads their horoscope and whatever magazine it is or well now I Guess it’s online right? Oh my gosh you used to read it in teen magazines that when I I don’t know but like.

02:01.30
Jessie

But sounds good. Yeah.

02:11.91
Jessie

Um, yeah, and the newspaper.

02:18.74
Lauren

Yeah, like we’re all used to reading our sun signs and but I don’t know that any that a lot of us ever actually stopped to go. Okay, what is astrology So I Tell us what it is because I think it’s more science than we might. Think that it is or it’s all Science. So tell it what is astrology. Why is it important? Why do we need to know this.

02:39.89
Jessie

Absolutely yeah, so it is an art and a science and astrology is of course different different than Astronomy astronomers would probably play down astrology but astrologers use as ah.

02:43.53
Lauren

Okay.

02:57.69
Jessie

Astrologers use astronomy to kind of see where the planets are so astrology is just putting a language to the energies at play with the planets in the sky and so we’re looking at actual physical entities in the sky and they are moving. And certain patterns and cycles that astronomers track and astrologer’s track as well and we’re putting a language which is really the art piece to those energies kind of explaining what those cycles are and how they kind of make an impact on day-to-day human life and human experiences. And not exist both collectively but also at the individual level which is why a lot of people know there’s Zodiac sign.

03:41.74
Lauren

Right? Yeah, that has been popular and um I might jump around a little bit here but just because you brought up the zodiac sign. That’s the sun sign but is that that’s not the full picture right.

03:54.49
Jessie

Correct. Yes, so the sun is the easiest to track and talk about day to day and that’s why it has become so popularized because generally speaking the sun is in the same sign during a specific month of the year every year so the sun right now is in aries. It’s always gonna be in aries at the end of March beginning of April so we can say if you’re born in 1980 or 1992 or 2022. It’s gonna be an aries. So it’s very easy to track in that sense. But it’s only 1 of 10 major luminaries and planets. That astrologers will interpret in a chart and it’s not more or less important than those other ten. It’s just a big part of your identity. So it also happens to be something a lot of people do relate to.

04:42.40
Lauren

So that’s why sometimes you read your horoscope and you’re like oh I don’t know maybe.

04:47.70
Jessie

Yeah, and I won’t go on too much of a tangent but I will say you you should not read your horoscope for your sun sign. That’s not how they’re written. You actually should be reading it for your rising sign or your ascendant.

04:59.60
Lauren

O interesting so that’s what like I look at I’m a gemini so and um, it’s gemini Sun Torus rising a moon. So I read my gemini and my tourru whenever I get.

05:15.17
Jessie

Um, but.

05:18.48
Lauren

Um, whenever I read horoscopes. Um, yeah I don’t I don’t know nobody. Why does nobody have ah a moon like a daily moon horoscope would that be hard.

05:31.22
Jessie

Yeah, it would be hard because it’s so it changes every two days. So the sun changes every month and so it’s just you can do it. It’s just hard because you have to do it more often. Basically but there are a lot of astrologers that will talk about like.

05:43.60
LaurenLauren
Okay, okay, so you.

05:50.99
Jessie
Collectively what we’re moving through with the moon. So every 2 days like if it’s in a fireside you may want to exercise more if it’s in a waterside you may want to cry a little bit more and that’s more collective as opposed to what you’re looking at in an individual chart.

05:57.38
tedmcd1
A. Okay, got it and so you said the sun sign represents more like our personality that was.

06:08.72
Jessie
Yeah, it’s more of our personality. It’s it represents our identity so over your son is you you wind up identifying with that type of energy with that zodiac.

06:18.62
tedmcd1
And what do your rising and your moon represent.

06:22.34
Jessie
The moon is our emotional body which makes sense I think for a lot of people because people will notice. Especially if you have children or work with children like on full moons. They’re usually a little bit more emotional or or crazy or maybe don’t sleep as Well. Um, and that’s because it it is heightened emotions around the whole moon but the moon is our emotional body. Um, it’s how we process our emotions how we respond in crisis situations and then our rising sign is kind of how we show up in the World. So it’s It’s on a sole level What we’re rising here to be.

06:58.37
tedmcd1
Um.

07:00.26
Jessie
And actually children often come into this world very much in their rising sign and then society kind of comes in and like puts all of our rules and restrictions on them and they kind of get uncomfortable with it and a lot of our life Journey is actually to come back to that.

07:15.10
tedmcd1
To come back to our rising. Oh that’s so interesting. So if you’re listening know what you’re rising sign. How can people find out what what they’re rising and moon and all the other stuff is.

07:27.63
Jessie
Yeah, there are a million like apps and websites I use something called http://astro.com which is completely free and you would need your birth date the the year the location so city and country and then the specific time.

07:34.66
tedmcd1
Okay.

07:46.32
Jessie
And that’s the most important piece for your rising because it it actually is what determines your rising sign and your rising sign will change every about 2 hours so if your if you don’t know your birth time. You won’t be able to find your rising so that’s super important and then you would just plug it into whatever free app or or website.

08:02.31
tedmcd1
Okay, and then you do readings right? if somebody have so what? what would someone come away with um, doing a reading with with an astrologer like what what would be the reason to have a reading done and how might it benefit their their life.

08:05.77
Jessie
Um I do.

08:18.26
Jessie
And I like that question so I do have a variety of different readings because there’s so much to unpack in a chart I mean honestly I still am unpacking my own chart but for an initial reading if all you know is your sun sign and you have my kind of. Dove into any other parts of your charter. Maybe you know a little bit about your moon and your rising at the basic level. What my clients walk away with in the first reading again if they’ve never had something done like this before is they feel seen and they feel validated That’s what I always always get back and there are. Tangible action steps. You can take to kind of move forward toward certain goals in your life through astrology. But I think at the most basic level. It allows you to put language to things in your life that you kind of like intuitively knew or had kind of inklings about but didn’t really have the language to describe.

09:11.63
tedmcd1
I.

09:13.69
Jessie
Of Why you may be communicating or hearing something different than someone else or why you may be processing that emotionally different than someone else and ah, again, it just really gives that language to validate and really feel seen and understand that you are a unique Human. Um. Processing this human experience in a different way than than everyone else.

09:30.99
tedmcd1
Yeah, ah yeah, that makes sense. Um, so for you How long have you been doing astrology for.

09:41.93
Jessie
Professionally I’ve been doing readings for I actually can’t believe it but like almost five years now it feel like oh last year I started no I’ve I’ve been doing it professionally for about 5 years now. But I’ve really always been very in touch with the stars and with astrology throughout my entire life and have been. Kind of unpacking my own birth chart and going through my own experience with astrology for for again. Yeah, my whole life I also very much believe in in past lives and I think I kind of came into this lifetime already knowing the language it came very intuitively to me and it’s it’s very. Easy for me to understand digest and kind of translate that in a way that makes sense.

10:16.69
tedmcd1
Yeah, so now with regards to astrology like um I had a reading done Astro cartography reading and well actually can you explain to everybody What Astro cartography is.

10:29.24
Jessie
I Love that you got one of those readings so Astro cartography So your birth chart is what you’re born with as ah as a human but the world also basically when you do as your cartography it puts a chart across the whole world like literally you take a map of the world.

10:36.90
tedmcd1
A.

10:48.91
Jessie
And these planetary lines kind of go in different places for everyone based on their unique birth chart and so different locations you’re you’re in California right? So like California where you live there’s going to be a particular astrological line there that is specific to you and how you’re going to.

10:52.68
tedmcd1
Here. I hear.

11:07.35
tedmcd1
Yeah, yeah.

11:07.62
Jessie
Experience that location you can say I want to go find Love or I want to go you know lean into my career more or I want to have a really transformational experience and we can look at different lines on the planet and say oh you know this state or this country is going to be a really good place for you energetically to move through those. Certain themes of your life.

11:27.37
tedmcd1
Right? But it’s not. It’s not like there’s 1 place. That’s the right? That’s right for every single thing right.

11:34.80
Jessie
No absolutely not Nope Absolutely not yeah, it’s different for every single person and different areas of the world will be different for every single person.

11:44.67
tedmcd1
Yeah, yeah, so I had an astro cartography reading done and to my um dismay but also not really like it was not a surprise to me my astrologers was like you’re done with Los Angeles like you’re it’s just. You’re done like you came here. He’s like why did you? where did you meet your husband I said I met him here. He said well that’s why you came here and it’s funny that he said that because when I was in Montreal I was like I got to go to la I’ve got to go meet the man of my dreams and I I told everybody that that’s what was going to happen and then I was in l a for 2 years and I was. Literally a week before I was leaving I was like ok I think I’m done my husband and I went on her first date and then it brought me back right? and then but so but it’s always Los Angeles is a tricky place you know and there it’s a it’s there’s there are more people here than the entire country than I’m from in Canada and there’s.

12:26.88
Jessie
Of a braagon. Yes, oh chills.

12:41.82
tedmcd1
Very transient and you have to work a little harder to find your community but you do um but it was what I found I Just found it interesting that the the reading confirmed what I had been feeling which is like I think there’s something else somewhere else. Um, but like it’s also. And I want to talk about this too a little bit like it’s not like a life sentence. It’s not like just because the lines here are not good for other things doesn’t mean that there’s no way I’ll ever thrive here. It just means that it’ll be a little bit trickier and. It might be easier. Let’s say if I want to lean in like you said to career. It might be easier for me and these other places and you and then you know if I ever wanted to come back. I could come back or something like that. But what I guess what I’m getting at is when you get a reading done. Is there room for interpretation and like free will like is it like will you just if your reading says you will never thrive in your career in a certain place or in your love life in a certain place is that like a for sure or are there things that you can proactively do. To stay in the place you want to stay in but draw in different I don’t know modalities or energies to help attract what you’re trying to do does that make sense.

13:58.86
Jessie
Yes, I be absolutely and I 100000% believe in free will there is always free will astrology is really more of a reflection of what you’re already feeling like you said you had this kind of intuitive nudge that you wanted to move to La. You also have an intuitive coach that you want to leave La That’s just reflected in the stars is not the stars telling you. That’s what you’re doing you already intuitively feel that and while free will 100% always exists. It’s very uncommon for you to not even if it’s a little bit more unconscious to not feel. Somewhat aligned with what the stars are reflecting. There’s also I will say always high road and low road to all of the energies and so you may be not interested In. You know if the stars are telling you.

14:37.93
tedmcd1
Might.

14:45.27
tedmcd1
Yeah.

14:54.81
Jessie
Ah, it’s time to find love or it’s time to leave that career. It’s time to do whatever and you’re not ready most likely that actually is reflected in the stars that you’re not ready but also your chart can tell you kind of what tools.

14:59.13
tedmcd1
Here.

15:10.50
Jessie
You can use to either get ready or maybe there’s other directions you can move into but there’s also again this high road and low road and you might be leaning into maybe some stubbornness. So for example, um, North Node and South Node I talk a lot about this and that’s kind of like full purpose and also your comfort zone.

15:21.37
tedmcd1
Will.

15:30.56
Jessie
It’s both of those are written in the stars, but it’s very common to stay in your comfort zone and that’s still written in the stars. But that’s your free will to stay there as opposed to moving towards more of your purpose which may feel a little bit like more work.

15:43.28
tedmcd1
Yeah, okay, and then there’s the other piece of this where so my husband doesn’t we his parents died a long time ago and nobody can remember when he was born so he actually tried to call the hospital to find out. What his birth time is and then an astrologer who I see here was like well there are certain things that we can like he can plug things into the system of like when his parents died and when he had children and all those things to kind of get a general sense of the time he was born. Um, but the question is so if you have a reading done. So. Everybody’s like am I compatible First of all in relationships so we can get to that but ah, just staying in astro cartography for a second in term determining a geographic location if if like if if my. Reading says I’m not going to survive in Los Angeles but my husband’s reading says that he will and my children say they’ll be better in like Nebraska or whatever. How do you How do you manage a family chart.

16:43.45
Jessie
M That is a good question I think I mean those are all going to be intrinsically related and it’s actually not uncommon for children and parents to have certain connections in their charts and what may be easy or good for someone may be.

16:54.39
tedmcd1
Me.

17:01.47
Jessie
Challenging or hard but also meaningful for someone else and there’s different cycles that different people are going to be moving through and like we were kind of saying La is where you found your love and that’s what it was good for but you may be moving into a different kind of area of your life and that may mean.

17:03.13
tedmcd1
Yeah.

17:21.25
Jessie
Moving more towards your career or maybe staying more home with your kids or whatever that is and they will kind of line up in some way shape or form. 1 spot is not going to be good for every single person in the same way. But and I actually hate using the words good and bad but 1 spot may be really easy for some people and.

17:23.17
tedmcd1
Now.

17:32.54
tedmcd1
With he.

17:40.99
Jessie
And the family in 1 spot may be more challenging but the challenges aren’t necessarily bad. It’s just that’s that area of growth for that particular person at that time does that make sense.

17:48.75
tedmcd1
Yeah I like that that it’s almost like a reframing because your life is not always going to be as anybody listening knows unicorns and rainbows. There are challenging times and that’s almost by design to a certain extent like I Think. Ah, for me sometimes I’m like when am I going to just listen to the evidence that’s before me that like this this isn’t working Anymore. It’s like being in a relationship for too long like you stay in the relationship because you’re comfortable, but nobody’s growing anymore and nobody’s really happy anymore. But they’re not unhappy. That’s just you know it’s. We have the like it’s just like reframing the different cycles of your life of like maybe this is the time I need the challenge and maybe this is the time I need to move into something different. Um I just I Just like that reframe. And doesn’t have to be all good. It’s not meant to be all good. All the time.

18:45.31
Jessie
Exactly because you know we do need to continue to grow and it’s very easy to get stagnant and comfortable. But that’s we wouldn’t be here if we were here to just kind of stay the status quo and never grow or change or evolve.

18:59.25
tedmcd1
No for sure and did astrology Did you have any kind of profound experience with astrology in your own life and reading your chart that like led you to make a big change that you weren’t expecting to or that you. Might not have thought you would.

19:17.41
Jessie
Yeah I mean I can think of so many and they’re maybe profound for me but not necessarily wow moments for other people who knows but I think I mean for me at an early age I have a ah lot of leo in my chart and Leo if you know anything about that energy is very.

19:30.89
tedmcd1
And.

19:36.88
Jessie
Outgoing likes to be center stage Very dramatic me me me and that never really felt like me and once I learned the next level of astrology which is understanding the house systems I learned that all my leo energy was in the eighth house which.

19:42.36
tedmcd1
A.

19:54.25
Jessie
We don’t need to go through like all of the houses and signs if if that’s really a lot but the eighth house is a totally different flavor. It’s actually more scorpio energy. It’s very private and so for a leo to have that energy in the eighth house I was like okay that makes so much more sense of why I.

20:03.54
tedmcd1
Okay.

20:12.86
Jessie
Am the way that I am so that was kind of the first step early on. But then as my kind of life evolved I started learning other aspects of my chart that really made me feel seen made me feel like I understood how to um. Interacts with other people better process. My emotions my my moon is an aquarius and it’s conjunct Saturn. So I have a very detached emotional body. Um, which is just a really different way of processing with a lot of people in my life that that don’t have detached emotional body. Um, and then.

20:38.49
tedmcd1
A.

20:46.70
tedmcd1
Yeah.

20:50.71
Jessie
Past that there’s the transit. So what’s happening in the sky today and any day any year any month is ah impacting your personal chart and when I started tracking the transit especially like the the kind of slower ones that really allow for longer term growth. Um.

20:58.43
tedmcd1
A.

21:10.37
Jessie
I I was just floored and truly It’s what made me be where I am today which is literally eighteen months ago I was in a corporate job I was not pregnant I was in a home that we didn’t want to be in and now I have. Ah baby I am self-employed and I moved across the country with my husband and all of those decisions were truly made around like the transits we were both experiencing and this is what was you know, led us to where we are today.

21:39.83
tedmcd1
Oh my gosh I just got goosebumps. Um, that’s amazing I actually I’m sending my husband to the astrologer that I went to um because he’s we’re trying to make a decision to move and. I’m basing it on what I got from the chart and he’s like are you really going to base it on that I was like yes I am because I don’t have clarity any other way and this is at my actual chart. So if you’d like to be involved in this process go get yours done and let’s do this together so just hearing you say that is I think that’s why got got goosebumps because we are we are in that place right now. Where I want to be working with the energies instead of trying to fight against them and like what a testament to how powerful this can be for your life. You know, eighteen months is not a long time and you’ve just completely changed everything about your life and. I don’t want to say for the better but it seems like it does seem like that you know like you wanted to feel this way you wanted to have a child you you know that’s just so cool.

22:45.69
Jessie
Is well what you you said something about working with the energies instead of against them and that’s where I feel like free will comes into play as well because you can do the total opposite of what your chart is saying but it will feel harder.

22:57.00
tedmcd1
Yes, yeah.

23:01.47
Jessie
And so by following kind of what the energies are helping you put language to which you don’t need astrology to do this. You do have an intuition you personally, but I’m I’m saying anyone in the World. You have an intuition that allows you to tap into and know where you should be kind of focusing in your life Astrologies is just like kind of like a cheat sheet almost. But you are more than you know, welcome to work against them. But once you do go with the flow of the energies that align with you, you will feel more aligned more empowered and life will like literally feel easier.

23:31.51
tedmcd1
Ah, hello. There’s the easy button if but you do nothing else after listening to this podcast, please go and book an appointment with Jesse um, if I didn’t already have an astrologer down on the street I’d be doing the same thing and I might even just.

23:34.82
Jessie
Um, it.

23:48.96
tedmcd1
Some of your workshops actually because I am picking up what you’re putting down Jesse I really am um, can we talk about the transits as far as the and I do what do want to get into parenting and also purpose with regards to astrology but just. Um, do do countries and states have their own charts because I think everybody can feel that there’s some big transitions happening in the world. Not that there ah haven’t been but it seems a little bit heightened. Um, and things seem to be really shifting like I almost like I get this image of tectonic plates like big shifts do geographic locations the world countries. Whatever did they have charts of their own and transits of their own to be aware of.

24:44.65
Jessie
Yes, so a couple of things. Everything has a chart so people have charts every country has a chart every event so like your wedding day the day you bought a house the day you establish your business. Everything has a chart that you can look at. They’re all its own energy body. Um, and so yes, every country does have its own chart. Obviously it’s going to be unique from the others. It’s based on whenever they were founded and there is a lot going on and even if you don’t look at any unique. Entity the transit’s happening in the sky right now are collective energies and so we can look at. For example, you and I are both living in the United States we can look at the United States ‘ chart right now and say oh wow they’re going through a lot of very major transformational transits.

25:39.29
tedmcd1
A.

25:41.58
Jessie
Directly impacting pivotal parts of the uss chart but also there are aspects happening in the sky right now. Even if you don’t overlay it on any birth chart that are truly once in a lifetime and.

25:44.30
tedmcd1
All right.

25:53.23
tedmcd1
Okay.

25:59.32
Jessie
I actually have ah a workshop a 2022 workshop that I have a slide that says once in a civilization and they are really um, they’re all aspects that have happened previously in history but 1 at a time and right now what we’re experiencing is several major aspects.

26:11.27
tedmcd1
A hit.

26:19.11
Jessie
Collectively that are happening at 1 time.

26:20.86
tedmcd1
Oh so it What does that mean just means lots of transition.

26:26.85
Jessie
Lots of transition. Lots of transformation and I think yeah you said like tectonic plates. Yeah it. It is lots of transformation. So a big player has been pluto and that is one of the planets that has really been impacting the United States ‘ burchart. But also the the collective it’s at the ° of of capricorn and capricorn is the it’s its government, its structures and systems and again it doesn’t matter where in the world you live. This is pluto’s and capricorn and it will be in capricorn until.

26:55.60
tedmcd1
I.

27:04.91
Jessie
Ah, can’t remember if it’s end of 2023 or 2024 it moves really slowly but we have another at least year or 2 of of pluto a capricorn and pluto is the planet of transformation. So really for the last thirty years or so we have been transforming our systems every system every structure.

27:09.98
tedmcd1
Okay.

27:23.71
Jessie
Including government big business any way that we operate so supply chain all of these things like money all of our financial systems are being completely transformed and we’re at the ° of that So we’re almost done with it and when you think about things like building building Building. It’s just gonna. Feel more and more and more intense. So we’re feeling the intensity of those essentially systems crumbling because pluto represents the Phoenix rising from the ashes and it represents death and rebirth and so for pluto to fully transform into the Phoenix First it it truly does have to crumble and so essentially we’re.

27:48.92
tedmcd1
Um.

28:00.88
Jessie
Collectively in this crumbling phase which we can all feel in different ways of clearly systems and structures evolving and changing and and crumbling.

28:07.76
tedmcd1
Yeah, Cryptocurrency comes to mind and I and I keep hearing from different healers and intuitives that it’s like the rise of the divine feminine which I can feel. Um.

28:10.93
Jessie
A yes.

28:26.46
tedmcd1
But you know the patriarchy is not going down without a fight and that makes sense um does is that is that what you’re getting to like the rise of the divine feminine is that what’s kind of happening.

28:37.21
Jessie
Absolutely yeah and in capricorn is the patriarch So That’s absolutely what’s crumbling and there’s many parts of the astrology happening now that it does show a clear rise of the divine feminine but also just like much more. Community Oriented non-hierarchical like flow of how we we operate in society.

29:00.84
tedmcd1
Oh I Love that where can somebody go to get like yeah where can you go to get the birth chart of the us so that you can understand the transits is there any anywhere.

29:17.36
Jessie
Yes, so it’s you can honestly probably just Google the United States ‘ astrology like astrology birth chart and it would probably come up but just like a ah person you would need the date time and location of its birth and so and gosh i. Have this memorized I’m a bad historian I guess but whatever like you know it’s the us is birthtime I think the locations like Philadelphia it’s where they sign the declaration of independence and you would put that location into just like you would for your date time and location of birth.

29:37.43
tedmcd1
Um.

29:49.58
tedmcd1
Right? Or you could just go and find an astrologist who’s talking about it on the daily or the weekly so that you know what’s going on. Yeah, like that sounds easier. Um, so let’s talk about it parenting and astrology because if astrology is so important for us to understand our.

29:55.87
Jessie
Exactly.

30:08.84
tedmcd1
Ourselves better and to understand where we’re going to thrive in different areas of our life geographically and so many other things then it’s going to have an impact on parenting. So let’s go there. What. What do parents need to know how how can we use astrology and knowing our charts and our children’s charts to I guess deepen the connection with our children. Maybe even limit the temper tantrums and all the things ah sleep issues like. My son is very very sensitive and he’s two and a half and he still doesn’t sleep through the night. He wakes up multiple times a night just looking for somebody to hug and he’ll find you and then like my husband will sleep with him and 50% of the time that’s enough. But the other 50% of the time he screams for me and he will not settle until I come and the minute I come he could be screaming for 10 minutes the minute I come there. He just puts his head down stops crying and goes right back into a deep sleep. So I know he’s a sensitive little being who’s feeling a lot of things and that’s why sleep training. Has not worked for him and I think it would behoove me for sure to know more about his chart to maybe help support us and being able to get a little bit more sleep. Um, but yes, so it’s sleep stuff. It’s behavior stuff like how do we use that astrology to help us.

31:36.11
Jessie
Yes, love that question. So I mean I think first for any parent like you want to understand yourself so I would start with with understanding your needs your emotional processing how you’re going to react to those temper tantrums naturally versus what can you.

31:36.39
tedmcd1
And parenting.

31:43.58
tedmcd1
Oh.

31:55.70
Jessie
Kind of be more conscious of and control because how you are is is a big part of that. But of course you you have 2 kids and you know you parent them differently. You know you have your parenting philosophies and values. But that you are very aware that they’re different children.

32:01.00
tedmcd1
Hit.

32:11.40
Jessie
And so while you can know all the things about yourself. You also know that you need to kind of make sure that you’re meeting certain needs of of your children as well and so understanding their charts as well is so so so helpful for many reasons because.

32:19.18
tedmcd1
Right.

32:30.17
Jessie
You know we we do have a lot of you know you can read all the parenting books all the things but there’s no one size fit all if it’s all for any kid and you you bring up sleep and some kids are going to sleep through the night immediately other kids are going to take years and years and years and everything in between and they all have different needs et cetera and.

32:43.98
tedmcd1
Um.

32:49.44
Jessie
That really does speak to all different aspects and of of how they process life they are going to need to express themselves in different ways. They’re going to need to communicate in different ways feel heard and seen and held in different ways and to be able to just see that is like honestly. Also. Like the greatest permission slip for parents I feel like because without having a venting session myself my son is thirteen months and he also does not sleep very well and he is highly highly sensitive in a lot of different ways but knowing his chart I’ve been like okay at least I like I know.

33:09.10
tedmcd1
E.

33:27.70
Jessie
Like it’s not me doing anything wrong. It’s not me necessarily you know, being a bad mom. He has these particular needs and I can meet them in this particular way and allowing myself to just like.

33:28.15
tedmcd1
Okay.

33:41.92
Jessie
Kind of put it on astrology and not necessarily like blame anyone or thing but just be like okay this is just how he is I’m not doing anything wrong has been such a a relief and allowed me to enjoy the middle of the night snuggles a lot more than I previously did thinking like he was broken when he wasn’t sleeping at night. You know.

33:57.15
tedmcd1
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, that’s a good point because I see a lot of parents beating themselves up, especially like if they’re what yeah if they tried sleep training methods and none of it worked and a lot of women are made to feel like well you’re not doing it right? or you know if their kids. Biting people at the park and or bullying and you’re like oh my god like what did I do wrong I think if you’re listening and you’re having any of these conversations with yourself where you think you’re doing something wrong. The astrology might be the next place or I would I would strongly suggest doing a reading with. Your child and for yourself because like you said first it starts with knowing yourself like I know I’m I’m hot headed and I am super stubborn and I can be like I can snap into a temper really quickly and knowing that about myself I can. Start to take deep breaths before like when I feel the anger rising so that I don’t you know, spray that anger all over the room which then of course makes the situation worse because our emotions are energy and you know you know if somebody walks in the room and they’re super happy. Versus somebody walks in the room and they’re super angry. The tone of the room is going to be completely different in both of those um experiences so I can use but the knowledge of myself to help mitigate some of what’s happening. But. It’s like you said if you know like your son who sounds a lot like my son is highly sensitive then you can kind of not like yeah give yourself a break like it’s a highly sensitive child lay. There’s actually a book called the highly sensitive child and there’s a book called highly sensitive adult.

35:41.96
Jessie
Um, yes.

35:46.30
tedmcd1
And I’m I haven’t read it I’m like I don’t need to write read it I bet I bet you I could write it and I bet you I am the highly sensitive adult as well. So I like that. Not to use the word permission but for lack of a better word like giving yourself permission to be like okay, it’s okay, this is my child is not going to fit into a box and I feel like a lot of parents myself included are looking for like okay but what’s the answer. How do I get them to stop this this this and this and it’s like wait a second. We are complex emotional beings. That’s not how it works. It’s just not and like you said like 1 of the things with sleep training that I don’t love is like the the kids who wake up in the middle of the night. They’re clearly expressing and need and they are emotional bodies and if we don’t respond to their. Needs It makes them feel unsafe. But if we know that all it takes is like a ah quick snuggle to make them feel better because they’re highly sensitive. Well then the suffering is gone because then you’re not pissed off. You know what to do you feel like you’re in control. Because you know what to do and then everybody goes back to sleep more quickly.

36:57.22
Jessie
Absolutely and I have to say I’m looking at your sons chart right now too. You both have a lot of 12 house placements which really do affect sleep in different ways. Um, and I imagine how old did you say he is so his.

37:07.19
tedmcd1
Um, he’s two and a half

37:15.79
Jessie
Like communication and and being able to verbally speak how he’s feeling is is probably not super strong yet.

37:21.12
tedmcd1
Um, no, he actually is quite. It’s quite strong. Actually.

37:24.77
Jessie
Yeah, okay, so if I was gonna say if it’s not that will continue to allowing him to verbalize his needs and once he obviously when he was younger, he wasn’t able to speak yet that was even harder for him once he’s able to start so processing through words.

37:36.66
tedmcd1
Right.

37:44.47
Jessie
It’s going to get better and if he already is doing that allow that space for him to to be able to process with words and kind of allow him to hear back What you’re what you’re hearing from him as well.

37:55.45
tedmcd1
Um, yeah, he’s very he knows what he wants like in and the middle of the night I want mummy come in my room right now like that’s very clear and he will not settle for anything else if that’s what he wants So he but he he started speaking late.

38:01.81
Jessie
Um, you should take it.

38:13.92
tedmcd1
Um, right around his second birthday but he was always very communicative. Nonverbally um, yeah, you see see just knowing that that’s helpful.

38:16.79
Jessie
Yes, yes.

38:23.10
Jessie
I think that next layer for him though will be helpful because he says I need mommy but he’s gonna need mommy for a million different things when he can say I need mommy like because I need this certain feeling to happen and in the middle of the night. It might be that he needs to feel safe I think he’s very.

38:32.80
tedmcd1
A.

38:41.81
Jessie
I Imagine he has a very active dream state. He may have nightmares or see things that he doesn’t feel comfortable with and and needs that extra support.

38:47.21
tedmcd1
Yeah, yeah, and it’s funny because we live in this ah house that we rented we we were living in Malibu and then the woolsey fire came and burned down half of Malibu and half of our neighborhood and we’re like let’s just move. Let’s just move so we moved into this house and I was told that there was a lot of violence in this house before for like 18 years so I did clearing and everything but I I have intuited that I like I think he’s really sensitive I wonder if there was a little bit more violence that happened in that particular room that he’s sleeping in and he’s seeing and feeling that because. I did you know like as a kid I could walk into a room and feel the vibration and I literally had this little girl who was my friend and she was my playmate and sometimes she scared me and I can imagine.

39:26.92
Jessie
I.

39:43.54
tedmcd1
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s going through that same thing like seeing whatever happened in here before or different feeling different energies or seeing different things that makes a lot of sense because he does wake up a lot throughout the night and like scared.

39:52.31
Jessie
And I would and.

39:59.41
Jessie
I would bet that it it very much is that yes.

40:02.87
tedmcd1
Yeah, it’s interesting. All the more reason to move we ah God Yeah please. Um, well, that’s so interesting I’ve wow.

40:06.52
Jessie
There you go there, You go tell your husband. It’s That’s yeah for your son’s sleep abilities.

40:22.10
tedmcd1
So when you get but you would want You wouldn’t want to like get the chart done and not have an astrology an astrologer read the chart for you right? like it needs to be interpreted by somebody who knows what they’re talking about.

40:30.86
Jessie
Right? Yeah, there’s a lot you can get for free which I think is really great so you can if you can pull up a chart like I can see that you know your sun’s Moon is in Gemini you can Google Moon and gemini and you will get a lot of information and that may be sufficient for you. But what.

40:41.30
tedmcd1
A.

40:48.46
Jessie
You won’t see when you Google that is that he’s got a moon and Gemini Square Venus and Mars in the twelfth house which adds quite a lot of layers and I’m sure I’ve lost most of the people listening to this podcast just by saying that right? So that’s not going to be something that you can get interpreted without an astrologer.

41:04.49
tedmcd1
Yeah, oh man. Okay, we’re definitely gonna talk about how people can work with you after because I just I feel like every parent needs to have their chart their spouses or partners chart and their kids chart like it just for me. It just makes so much sense. Um. Is there anything else you want to say about parenting and astrology because I’m going to ask you about purpose soon. So if you want to if we want to stay on this topic and there anything else that you want to say about it.

41:30.94
Jessie
Yeah I mean ah you know I could go on and on always, but it’s just such a gift to be able to see your child like with their in their uniqueness like we know our children are special right? and it just allows us to like fully see them and allow them to be exactly who they are without. Us putting you know pressure on who we think they should be or what society wants them to be.

41:54.47
tedmcd1
Or even pressuring ourselves like I feel. You know we want I love my parents they as a child like forced me to play the piano and I’m grateful that they did but then it was like. Guests would come over and Lauren would have to sit down at the piano and play for everybody and I could see the pride in their eyes and so like what a gift to take the pressure off so that you don’t have to compare your child to somebody else like somebody else’s kid is like ah. Ah, really great pianist or really good at math or really verbal at a young age and I feel like especially since our our culture is set up with like what percentile is your kid in for weight and for height and whatever it’s set up in this way to compare compare compare and from every level from you know. From growth and health to personality to accomplishments and if we know our child’s chart and we can say you know math is not his subject but look where he shines over here in this creative endeavor and let’s. Let’s support that and then it takes the pressure off the parent of having to feel like their child needs to fit into something that they’re not.

43:12.66
Jessie
Exactly and in astrology there like there is no good and bad. There is nothing to compare. It’s all it kind of all just is what it is and it’s all different and unique and it fits into this like beautiful collective puzzle. That’s all meant to be together.

43:25.32
tedmcd1
Yeah, oh I love that? Um, okay I we don’t have a ton of time left. But I did see on your Instagram as I was into stalking you as people do these days so strange. Um, what a world? Um, but you have a. Now this this podcast is gonna come out about a month or 2 after we actually record it. But as of this recording today is March Twenty Second you have a course on finding your purpose through astrology and. I don’t know you can tell me if it’s still going to be available once this podcast comes out but my spidey senses were like ooh I want to do this because I feel like what happens with a lot of moms whether they’re working or not is that the purpose gets really our purpose just gets kind of muddled because we’re just it feels like we’re in a constant state of survival. Like if we’re working outside of the home we’re at work thinking. Okay, the laundry the grocery list the diapers, the clothes, the kids’ birthday party. Oh the gift I have to get oh the buh bla blah bla blah and if we’re at home. It’s all of the same thing as we are doing all the the. Things that need to get done and especially if we’re at home I think it’s easy to lose our purpose like what did I come here to do I forget because I’m up to my ears and diapers and and cleaning poop. So how can we use astrology. To find our purpose and can you tell us more about that workshop that or that course that I’m referring to.

45:00.12
Jessie
Absolutely yeah and I mean I relate to so much of what you’re saying as well just in motherhood of course and I think 1 thing outside of what I’m going to say with your purpose that astrology can really help us with in general is understanding the cycles we’re in. Because astrology really is just patterns and cycles and so and and motherhood it is a cycle of life and while the the nights may feel very long. You know my my son’s thirteen months and I already I already see that the years and the months are short and so it really is just um, a chunk of your life. A cycle of your life to kind of move through but it.

45:31.38
tedmcd1
We hit.

45:39.28
Jessie
It is still no matter what your chart says is your purpose if you have children. Um that is going to be part of your purpose but it’s just different parts of that that kind of allow you to move towards your kind of overall Purpose. So I do have a workshop it is. Going to be live but then I will be offering the recording which is essentially the same thing. It’s just not me live and so it will be available for purchase on my website once this podcast does come out but the workshop itself we focus on a few different parts of your chart that.

46:01.70
tedmcd1
Yeah, yeah.

46:07.92
tedmcd1
Okay.

46:16.26
Jessie
Allow you to really understand why you’re here this lifetime and so some people may feel like being a mom is their purpose and that actually may even be true astrologically, but some people even if you’re a mom you may feel like okay this there is something so much. Outside of motherhood that I I still feel connected to that I still need to move forward in and and that may be your career. Those are 2 very like kind of standard societal things that people feel on purpose with but astrology is so beyond that and what we do in this workshop is show kind of outside of. Being a mom or in your career. Really what you are moving into in this lifetime and by understanding that we look at you know,? what’s your comfort zone where are you saying stuck what astrologically are your life lessons and challenges that you have to move through that allow you to make decisions to move more towards your sole purpose.

46:55.48
tedmcd1
Um, um.

47:12.90
Jessie
And then also um, there’s a part of your chart that really shows them wounding and kind of limiting beliefs and we look at that to see. Okay, what is really limiting and restricting us in that way that also we need to kind of unpack to move towards feeling really aligned really fulfilled because that’s really, you know what? we’re all here to to do is is. The most fulfilled align version of ourselves and for for people listening here. Motherhood’s going to be part of that but not the only part.

47:37.30
tedmcd1
Right? Yeah and I got some advice from because I’m not I’m not the mom who’s like I found my purpose I’m I’m a mom I’m like no no new I’ve I’ve but up against yeah I’ve butt up against it which I don’t think is it hasn’t been productive for sure.

47:47.12
Jessie
I will make I relate.

47:56.27
tedmcd1
Um, and it has definitely caused me to not be present. What happens is and I’m sure many people can relate including yourself is like when I’m with my kids I’m not present because I’m thinking of what I’m not doing and when I’m doing something else I’m not present because I’m thinking about I’d rather be with my kids or I feel guilty that I should be with my kids but I don’t want to and like it’s just. Like this exercise and just never really being present in anything that I’m doing because there’s so much judgment going on in my head but I had a mom who is a close friend of mine. She was like I wish and she told me this when my daughter was little. She’s like I wish somebody had just told me to just relax like enjoy this these years. Your career will come back. You cannot get these years back and I listened and I and I got it but I’m really getting it more now that my daughter is 6 and I’m like oh like she came in this morning and I was in the bathroom and ah she was like I’m hungry I was like oh Daddy’s in the kitchen go get some. Go get something to eat and she did and I was like oh my god I remember when she was a child like a baby and now she’s like this little human who can communicate with me and she doesn’t really need me that much anymore like she does but not in the same ways and so it really does go. Quickly so to I guess just it just I think understanding what your purpose is would be helpful in helping you be more present when you are in that parenting. Role and then present when you are outside of that parenting role and then the other thing I want to say about that is like like you said about phases. So like what my friend was saying like this is just a phase. So maybe this isn’t your purpose. But maybe right now as a family you’ve decided to be the stay at home. Person or you’ve had to be the stay at home parent or whatever it is and that will change and and knowing what your purpose is and knowing what your chart is. You’ll be able to maybe look and go oh okay I see like in a few years from now. There’s going to be some blossoming in the career and it might help you like relax more into motherhood now I don’t know I don’t know.

50:09.18
Jessie
Absolutely I mean I That’s that has been true for me and I I would imagine allowing Again. It’s kind of We. Don’t like the word permission I know but like it is this kind of permission slip this validation of like okay just be here and now. This is going to.. You’re gonna miss this one day too right? like um I try so hard with my son not to be like oh I can’t wait until I like try to get that phrase out of my vocabulary because I already with him only being just over one look back to oh my gosh I Miss this other piece.

50:27.61
tedmcd1
Total.

50:44.62
Jessie
And so it really is allowing you to be really present with with what you’re going through right now but also it allows you to see like long term I still have all this opportunity like this isn’t this isn’t it. You know there’s still more.

50:57.55
tedmcd1
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure and even like for me I just had my chart then and um, my astrologer was like you’re a late bloomer in career and I was like oh my gosh I can stop beating myself up because I have tracked so many different things. Nothing seems to be working but to.

51:12.95
Jessie
You really are though. Yeah, efficient.

51:16.52
tedmcd1
Yeah, and that’s he’s like it’s coming. It’s just and I’m like oh okay, well and that kind of makes sense because I have done so many things so by the time something like really comes to fruition I hope he season veteran. It’s like oh my gosh. Um, and I am that kind of person anyway, like I I I like to. Study everything and like be an expert in something before I before I present it to the world I’ve always been that way. So but that’s just really comforting to know and that helps me relax further into motherhood and go okay I can just relax for a second. Keep working on the foundational pieces of my career and just trust that it’s coming. Um, so that’s really helpful. Um, and 1 other thing I was going to ask about well 2 other things and then and then I’ll let you go but so we can’t get into so like all of the different. terminology the the terminology like squares and aspects and things like that I will encourage people to go and look those up and to just get your chart done like just just do it if you haven’t done it. But I I know particularly in my chart based on what my astrologer said is like he’s like you got some tough stuff coming up. Like for a year starting in mid may it’s going to feel like you’re losing your mind I’m like oh my gosh that is not good information. So I asked him and I’ll ask you this for somebody who’s like looking at their chart and they’re looking at like there’s a challenging time coming up. How can they not like I don’t want to go into this part of my chart with fear. How can we arm ourselves with tools to ah be able to go through it in a productive manner that where you can still feel good because I’m not going to lie I’m like oh my god like it’s like doomsday. How do I how do I make this part of the challenging part of my life feel better as I’m going through it instead of just going. Okay, it’s going to suck for a year.

53:11.75
Jessie
Yeah I think I mean part of it is about perspective right? And maybe I think this is probably even in in my own chart. But I see any challenging time as like an up leveling I’m like okay, great like I’m ready for it. Let’s go through it and so the other side is going to be freaking fantastic.

53:29.22
tedmcd1
I hear.

53:31.46
Jessie
And that was true like the last you know I I talked about like the last eighteen years eighteen months but like the last year of my life I had some major major transformational challenging quote unquote aspects but I was excited about it because I knew the other side I would have clarity and.

53:46.71
tedmcd1
A.

53:49.96
Jessie
Feel like I was really on that next chapter next level and so I think some of it’s a perspective shift Overall with you know quote unquote hard or challenging times. But also you know if you work with an astrologer. Depending on what the aspects are so whether it’s a saturn or you’re gonna be going through some eclipses and uranus stuff on your ascendant and you got you do have some other stuff going on as well. But depending on what the planet is. We can talk about exactly what that means and how to I don’t necessarily want to use the word prepare. But what. Like self-care or coping Strategies. You can use and kind of put in your toolbox to make sure that you are supporting yourself the best that you can and have that perspective again knowing like you know, just like we’re talking about with your son like okay, he’s highly sensitive that gives me.

54:32.11
tedmcd1
When.

54:41.94
Jessie
Like a little bit more grace towards his lack of sleep with yourself. You can know that you’re going through a little bit of a challenging time and you can give yourself a little bit more grace knowing that you may need to not during your son’s map or you may need to exercise more because that feels good and and that will all actually show up in your chart to say okay Like. Now’s a good time to actually go to Therapy or now’s a good time to meditate more or work out more whatever kind of Self-care Tool box. We can. We can support during specific transits.

55:10.65
tedmcd1
Yeah I like that because I had this woman Julie Siardi on the podcast last year and she was talking about seasons how like with entrepreneurship there’s like there’s a season of hustle and there’s a season of rest and. Right? And it. It kind of reminds me of that like if you know you’re heading into a season of hustle then you know you have to step up the self-care so that you can get through it in a way that feels better because if you don’t like that is not the time to stop your self-care. That’s the time where it’s like no, you have to make that a priority because otherwise you’re not It’s not going to feel good or as good as it could versus like if it’s a season of rest where your chart maybe is going through a nice little nice little transit then It’s okay to maybe relax a little bit on the self-care if life you know doesn’t doesn’t have the space for that as as much you know like that. That’s what I’m hearing like it’s a chance to be more productive and to really go. Oh yeah, exercise meditate journal. Non-negotiable during this phase. Yeah, that’s really powerful. It’s so interesting how there’s so much to astrology as we’ve just demonstrated in the last hour that can be so powerful for your life and.

56:20.19
Jessie
Absolutely yeah, it helps you prioritize where you need to spend your time for sure.

56:39.30
tedmcd1
I I know it’s becoming more popular I Just wish it was more popular because it just feels so empowering.

56:44.40
Jessie
I agree. Yeah I mean we’re moving into the age of Aqueus so I have hopes. It’s going to be even more mainstream and and part of the day-to-day language. My dream is for like every parent and teacher to like have access to this so that the next generation can feel. Super aligned as well and I feel like we’re already moving kind of in that direction a little bit and I think it’s just gonna continue to expand in that way.

57:08.82
tedmcd1
Oh for sure and ah just greedily because ah we were talking offline before we started and I was like what’s going on with March Twenty second or is it talking about March Twenty second and there’s some something in the the air and you were saying that actually February Twenty second and April Twenty second were really transformational. So. Is do you have like a cliff notes of April Twenty Second of why that day is so pivotal in the chart.

57:34.82
Jessie
Oh okay, so February to April Twenty Twenty Two is probably some of the most transformational times energetically like ever certainly within everyone’s lifetime that is on earth today.

57:49.35
tedmcd1
Um.

57:51.37
Jessie
And so with that while there are specific dates that have like specific exact aspects because these are large energies. It really is like a slow a slow burn. So. It’s kind of feeling throughout that. But it. Um, try to give a cliffnotes version as much as possible but it really does have to do with some of that pluto stuff I was talking about but then also in April is when Neptune and Jupiter will meet up in the sign of pisces which is really really quite spiritual actually in a way that will allow people to feel I think much more in touch with.

58:10.60
tedmcd1
Was that it.

58:29.25
Jessie
Intuition. It’s a very the last two years have been like really hard transits like no astrologer was like oh yeah, Twenty twenty through 2022 is gonna be Dandy like no one predicted it was gonna be butterflies and rainbows we all knew it was going to be really transformational but in April Twenty Twenty two there’s a very.

58:43.80
tedmcd1
He.

58:47.85
Jessie
Hopeful aspect and that’s really beautiful and exciting. But there’s also a lot of like kind of behind the scenes players happening that I think they’re going to continue to transform society for the next several years really

59:00.47
tedmcd1
Okay, all right? Okay, cool. Well I have a thousand other questions but you have to go um, can you tell everybody where they can find you and how they can work with you.

59:12.36
Jessie
Yes, um, so I am that’s Sol Astro on Instagram and that’s probably where I’m most active and then everywhere else. It’s the same thing. So it’s that’s http://solastro.com and then my emails jessie at thats sol astro so I have. All of my like offerings on both my instagram and website.

59:36.60
tedmcd1
Amazing. Well I Just appreciate you so much. Thank you so much for lending us your time and you’re giving us insight into your work I Hope that everybody’s leaving feeling more hopeful and will go and sign Up. You’ve got all of those different offerings on your website. Um, Birth Chart for um, anybody so everybody please go and do that for yourself and for your kids and um, yeah, thank you for your work and I look forward to seeing what’s to come.

01:00:11.50
Jessie
Yeah I appreciate you so much and I’m so grateful for you giving resources to help moms feel more empowered. It’s so important.

01:00:18.61
tedmcd1
A men that’s the thing we can complain. That’s cool, but then we need to move into a solution. That’s where the power is amen. Well thanks. Jesse have the best day. Thank you.

01:00:31.49
Jessie
You too.

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